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I thought you were mocking me. I see that you weren't. I'm sorry. 

I'm very paranoid these days. 

But the good news is I legit made an ass of myself. I don't mind my lumps when they are deserved. 

Just remember my safe word. :flowers: 

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, the whole idea of workers is a bit antiquated. 

 

This only feels true to us because none of the products we use every day are actually made here anymore, and we're mostly working bullshit positions as middlemen and managers of one form or another.

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We are so divorced from the nasty side of global capitalism. Americans love buying shit but hate industry. 

We would be less obnoxious consumers if the smokestacks, factories, clear cuts, child labor, sweatshops, etc. were in our neighborhood. 

Americans are hostile to economic reform in part because they have it too good. As middlemen and managers and grocery baggers, we don't witness the ugly parts of industry now. Along with the jobs, it's been outsourced somewhere else with cheaper wages, less regulation about labor practices, and no environmental safeguards. 

We can have the most ideal economy in the U.S.A.: health care, video games, vacation, thouched-up selfies for all. But there is plenty of planet left to spoil. Plenty of workers to alienate. 

:( 

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USA is not a temple though

 

But there's some unintended truth in how local and poverty-tolerant trade can prevent big business. The Christian culture seems to me to have more local transactions, and no focus on some sort of globally optimized transaction. You know what I mean? Basically, if I go and give my leftovers to a hobo, they sure wont go towards Apple or HP or what have you, and the hobo goes to buy some food, and the food guy buys some more food etc. It's more local, as I understand, but of course it affects the whole. It's like you could call it 'socialism' but it wouldn't be regulated or controlled by anyone.

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"Nope. You're definitely not a democratic socialist, and all this talk about expanding government probably has you looking over your shoulder. You think that the economy is functioning pretty well as it is, and the best way to improve things would be to get the government out of the way. "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/23/are-you-a-democratic-socialist-take-the-quiz/

After 30 years of living in a big Danish city founded on conservatism, royalism and national pride. I've seen what 'blossomed' from the few decades of socialism, I've seen the problems with un-integrateable migrants and spoiled welfare schmucks and education-without-a-cause. A generation of young people in classrooms for nothing except the welfare-checks, with no ambitions and no clues, just noise and disaffection caused by the constant noise and control and social pressure to conform to the entire public sector. No local culture, zero self-worth, complete spinelessness and failure to question authority.

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Crestone, do you think social democrats have a patent on socialism? So... if you don't like their brand of so... cialsm, it somehow means you have to migrate to the right-wing? That sucks, man. It's almost like saying Stalinism represents socialism. The reality is, it didn't, and socialists didn't become something else by supporting his opposition, by acknowledging the harmful wayz of hiz politics, yo, babbe? YO BABBE.

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After 30 years of living in a big Danish city founded on conservatism, royalism and national pride. I've seen what 'blossomed' from the few decades of socialism, I've seen the problems with un-integrateable migrants

sounds about right

 

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It's true. Denmark's institutions are ancient, and democracy only a little more than 100 years old. Women couldn't even vote until 1915. They got their rights several years later than men. Democracy was dominated by liberals (in the sense of right-wing liberty), and the first real push for social democracy happened in the 60s along with the hippies and other super gay movements. If you're 20 in Denmark, your parents were likely born before the whole 'social democracy' fad. Maybe the system seems like nature, but it's really just a hip thing like Anthony Fantano, and Miley Cyrus partnering with Flaming Lips.

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Crestone, do you think social democrats have a patent on socialism? So... if you don't like their brand of so... cialsm, it somehow means you have to migrate to the right-wing? That sucks, man. It's almost like saying Stalinism represents socialism. The reality is, it didn't, and socialists didn't become something else by supporting his opposition, by acknowledging the harmful wayz of hiz politics, yo, babbe? YO BABBE.

What does this even mean?

You are the one moving to the right wing. The changing of my party affiliation is a move that has entirely to do with keeping the dominant political party in my county from going to the Tea Party; it has NOTHING to do with changing my views on the subject.

I know Stalin wasn't a socialist. He wasn't even a good communist. He was a murderous, traitorous fascist more than anything. Stalin is still a good case study for the dangers of a centralized economy. The sort of anarcho-socialism I'm into is all about strong local control and collective ownership while using basic market principals that respect classic economic theory.

There's really not a good example of the sort of economy I'd like to see, but the observations of the Russian anarchist Kropotkin detailing the successes of remote Siberian villages survives outside of a strong central government is probably the closest model.

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If you read it I would appreciate a more specific account of how he misunderstands Marx.

 

@ihaveproblems, this is not a joke. This is not a Nintendo Wii U game. Neither is it Newtonian physics. It's real, yo.

I assure you the Wii U is very real

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eeeezy have you ever been called a fagggot (triple g applied to bypass word filter) on Youtube? I'm just curious, because the right-wing radicals seem to use two ad hominems especially: Communist, and fagggot.

 

BTW if you guys don't know what ad hominem is, you should study more. 

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